What made the B o B so interesting for you?

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What made the B o B so interesting for you?

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I ask this probably more out of interest of our overseas cousins.
I can understand living over here with the history --so what made it special and of interest to you guys living overseas.

Hazzie,Sickman,Hellcat and all?

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Trumper wrote:I ask this probably more out of interest of our overseas cousins.
I can understand living over here with the history --so what made it special and of interest to you guys living overseas.

Hazzie,Sickman,Hellcat and all?
The Battle of Britain represents to thinking Americans a glaring example of what can be accomplished by a country united against tyranny and onslaught. Standing virtually alone with a few friends and "behind closed door support", Fighter Command took on the brunt of Germany's entire military effort and defeated it.
The BoB was the shining example in our time of what can be done when man stands together against overwhelming odds.
A brilliant win for our friends in Great Britain !
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:) Thank you Dudley ,great answer.

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Trumper,

Well, Dudley did say it best, better than I could.

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The Battle of Britain was one of those battles or campaigns where the underdogs won, against a superior force.
The fact that the superior force was also extremely evil, and the assaulted innocents won, also makes good folks feel good.

Stuff that legends are made of, and that troubadours sing songs of many centuries later.

I am pretty sure that God did not have anything to do with the outcome.
More of a case of "Let the best man win!"

Some of US Americans are quite ashamed that we just stood back in 1939 - very late 1941 and did nothing
(except some small naval help for you Brits during the Battle of The Atlantic, 1940, which FDR hid from the Republican Congress)
while the world around America was burning up! :shock:

US Americans mostly were isolationist folks, Republicans and Democrats alike in the early 20th century.
The last thing they wanted to do was get involved in yet another insane European War. Or insanity in Asia.
Heads buried into the sand. If I don't pay attention to it, maybe all this unpleasantness will just go away!

Well, we had our wake up calls. Once in WW1 and again in WWII. Took US awhile get our schitt together, sorry.

Now we know that isolationist thinking does not work in the global world we live in.
Now some people in the world call US Americans bully's and heavy handed polizei,
when we see evil erupting around the world
and start bombing and sending troops ashore around the world to try to stop the crazy murderous savages!

Ah! We US folk ain't done all this righteous or proper all of the time,
and killed a lot of our servicemen and other folk in the world, that should not have died,
but we don't just sit on the sidelines anymore and just let everything around US burn up into hell!
We try to put out some fires before it burns our house down, too!


Ah! Beg pardon. I'm getting carried away, again. I try not to get political except posting in Hell's Half Acre.

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The reason that I bought Rowan's Battle of Britain computer game,
was that it was mentioned to be, on some forums, as a Combat Flight Simulator married to a Dynamic War Game.
This concept was truly original and appealing to me, so I bought it.
The original Rowan Combat Flight Simulator married to a Dynamic War Game did actually work, despite many bugs and flaws.

When Rowan offered their code as open source, I thought,
OK! Folks will fix some of the bugs, and maybe I can help make this rare and unique uncut gem be polished a bit better too, with my limited talents?
It kept getting better and better.

I've been hooked on trying to improve it since.
You might even (properly) say that I have become addicted to it, always striving to perfect BOBII to a more and better historical simulation of the Battle of Britain,
both as Combat Flight Simulator and as a good Historical War Game Simulation.

Am I a junkie? Yeah. Feel like Gollum when he when put that Ring on his finger. Cannot let it go.

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Primarily, I am still a historical war gamer. Not a flight simulation enthusiast.
I still want to improve and calibrate better the gauges for the Hurricane, Me109, ME110, und Stuka,
but I still have some more Campaign war game things to make truer to history as to the ground Targets,
and helping-testing Randy the Campaign coder's realistic historical code changes to try to best
recreate the Battle of Britain as it was.

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Hi Trumper
Well, I guess Dudley and stickman have pretty well covered the nobler basis for interest in the Battle.
I must confess mine started from a boyhood love of fighter planes, and in those days reading books and novels about aerial warfare in WWI & II, and the pilots and aircrew who carried out all those daring deeds.8) Including Biggles, of course, who was sort of a personification of the heroic RAF spirit, although IIRC he wasn't a fighter pilot but flew some sort of bomber along with his chums Algy and Ginger. I did also make a few ghastly attempts at Airfix models, in particular one diabolically camouflaged Stuka [using my father's old tins of house paint] which remained sticky for years, but still served well in my bedroom recreations of dogfights. :)
I think maybe the attraction of the Battle of Britain for me is still essentially the power of youth that it expresses, when you can dream and hope for anything, and, in the case of the Few, actually do it!

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:) What wonderful answers.

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I used to see some dogfights with the spitfires and german planes in the air,then we were bombed,so had to be evacuated,and being only 5yrs old,we didn't realize how serious this was,we were just running around with our wooden spitfires having fun.
I didn't think that 70yrs later,i would fly in a real spitfire.
Thank god that people in those days were made of sterner stuff,you did as you were told and got on with it.
If we had been defeated,the freedom of the world would have been in chaos.

I was so glad to have bought the BOB sim,it really puts the "BOB" into perspective,it kind of gives you some insight as to what it was like to fly then,but today a lot of younger people don't even know the "BOB" happened,and how much they owe to those brave people of that generation,and they don't really care,but that's how life is,there you go.
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Marine,
It has always been so. Back in the late 19th century there were complaints that the veterans of Trafalgar were neglected. As with all wars the veterans are hailed as heroes whilst they are needed but are a mild inconvenience when the war is over.

My Dad came back from Burma and struggled to find a place to live while others he knew had earned enough overtime at Bristol aeroplane works to get a deposit for a house.

You realise though that these events are not that long ago really. I knew my grandmother very well and she was born in 1889. The last veteran of Trafalgar died in 1898. In that context it is conceivable that I knew someone who knew someone who fought at Trafalgar or Waterloo. Even more conceivable for a veteran of the Crimea.

She used to tell me stories of seeing the red coated soldiers marching off to the Boer war.

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Trumper - sorry for late reply

Was with my grandfather at age 7 or so, when I saw a 1:72 Airfix Spitfire in a shop window. About 1960. The war had finished 15 yrs earlier.

Although I had seen a Comet and later a VC 10 land at Bulawayo airport; and had already had a ride in a Tiger Moth ( had to add extra belts for a kid) and they were beautiful; I found the aesthetics of the Spitfire was mesmerizing, especially the elliptical wings. And the camo. Beautiful roundels on the wings, sloping windscreen and bubble canopy ( which style remained evident up to the Harrier) everything jus looked so perfect. So British. So refined. That's because it was.

Grandfather told me he had actually seen these fighting in the air, a Stuka got shot down, the other escaping down a 'wadi' ( small desert canyon) and the British 8th Army got huge morale from seeing these ( and P40s and Hurricanes - the aircraft that shot down the Stuka was in '41, so was probably a Hurricane, but grandfather possibly didn't know the difference) flying overhead in North Africa.

I was hungry for information on these things, so he further told me that these were the most famous aircraft of all time; that they and their pilots saved Britain and Rhodesia ( we were a Colony at the time and stood proudly every day 07:00 at school to the raising of the Union Jack) from the scourge of very bad people ( whom he categorized as "Huns", politically totally incorrect today, in a Clarkson sense, but who gives a &$&^, the Brits won against all odds)

Being a scholar of Mongomery ( of el Alamein) and Churchill ( he had framed prints of Churchill's paintings in the vestibule) he finished my first lesson about the famed RAF, with Churchills most famous of all utterances, of "The Few".
I was, from then on, to this day, spellbound by the story of the Battle of Britain.

I then had to save 6d for two weeks ( pocket money was 6d a week/ two Bob a month) to buy the Airfix kit as it cost 12 d ( one bob, or a shilling ) and give up tickey (3d) ice creams.

Little did we know, that 5 years later we would come to hate the Brits ( well the politicians anyway) when Rhodesia declared UDI in '65, and tear down the same Union Jack, and embark on an insurgency war which, although winning all the battles overwhelmingly,we would loose the war.

Churchill died the same year as UDI, and Rhodesia declared a National day of Mourning, for more reason than one. I remember the somber mood clearly. Mother Britain was 'Waiving the Rules'. Bit like when Nelson popped off earlier this year - the political outlook here is looking very foreboding, and banana shaped.

Long gone, and never to be seen again, the valour of the likes of those "Few" worth the accompanying political commitment, determination and goodwill. Only the self serving abhorrent politico Palookas exist today. " How many bombs do you want dropped on Iraq, one or two?" ( Cameron to Obama - see YT ref on HH acre) while children get their heads cut off.
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Hello HAZZIE !

Please tell me : which mods did you apply to the game, I've watched your video on YouTube, it's Excellent !

Regards, minimo1964

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Hi Minimo

I imagine you are referring to the YT vid ' BATTLE OF BRITAIN A2A MEDLEY' ? ( there are 89 vids under haZZZIE )

I you wanna get into modding, and adding associated programmes, you gotta take the same attitude that those have when eating an elephant: slowly, bit by bit. Over a period of say, 6 months.

There is no 'package' overwriter to install here, only elephant bits. And some completely separate programmes that run alongside BoB, that you have to programme yourself.
You will also have to learn to fly 'external view, and after 'flyby' keypress, and do it like a RC pilot, to get the vid effects. ( I fly 90% externally, as prev was an RC joc )

Sometimes you may want to regurgitate the elephant bits, 'cause they don't make you feel so good, and put back the original bits where you feel more comfortable
( some of my internal ragged cockpit scratched to hell textures made some members like Stickman, puke)

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I suggest selecting some bits to start from, and trying them bit by bit: if you get thru all this you will be able to fly with all this added stuff and make such vids.
You must patently go through all the mod threads mainly in Subscriber Modifications, and employ them one at a time and check each effect in the sim, backing up the original files - can also use JMSE auto replace prog )

the links are what I briefly used the search engine for - but is limited - I suggest you also use search engine and read threads -and some are downloads

Visuals:
- Spitfire mod pak http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ae5lug16b322r51
- aircraft skins (external textures applied to the 3-D models) http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... IT#p216938
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... by#p309492
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... sh#p215812

- canopy skin, green armour glass ( alpha channel skins, translucency, reflections) http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... nt#p216938

- internal cockpit skins ( textured ) http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 65#p241952
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... nt#p245787


- green armour plate glass http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... ss#p284678

- instrument dial skins ( incl Stickman's relection 'whores' )

- gunsights http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 50#p237993
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 30#p253606
download http://www.mediafire.com/?f64gxna54b2m94q

- generic wing spar damage download - http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?f0raibifldeh7sc

- prop skins ( alpha, weathering, spinning effects ) http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... ss#p284769
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... IT#p216938
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 90#p254971


- pilots parachutists and airmen http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 70#p245771
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... es#p247576


- tracer skins ( alpha, squiggly camera effect, colours ) http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 10#p285189
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... le#p254450

- gun hits ( flash, colour )

- fire and explosion skins ( inc blue petrol colour )


- ground textures ( Boreas ) download http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tmomoimn9sb68fk
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 65#p261879

- Cliffs of Dover textures ( Boreas & mine) http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 65#p277000

Sound 1: sound files in sim http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... by#p309492
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 50#p260146

- engine start up with 'clear prop' shout
- rolling wheels with ambient birds tweeting
- engine shut down with ambient birds tweeting
- engine running
- stall buffet & klaxton
- flyby zoom

Sound 2: sound files in separate associated programme AKH (free downloadable) read this carefully -
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... 55#p310667
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... nd#p256274
coms with Pat_Pattle who took this up http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... &start=450
( this is what makes the vids very emotive and is No 1 to work on: is the real recorded sounds of Spits & 109s fly by and ambient distant sounds introduced into the sim )
- flyby ( x 2 per RAF and Luft)
- ambient fly around sound
- ambient radio calls

Timing : associated to Sounds 1 & 2 above ( modifying the zoom / flyby timing to sync with the flyby sound )
alter ExternalView file: root directory http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... ew#p309492
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... ew#p256513


Graphic enhancement addon programmes - Like ENB ( free download )
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtop ... nb#p216938


Control devices:
- programmable keyboard ( swap key functions = multiplies commands & hot keying )
- remapping keyboard ergonomics ( better left hand finger control )
- trackball ( in addition to mouse - I don't like Track IR headgear and use a trackball for moving views around - better externally)

Video capturing and making programmes
- Fraps ( pro ) - buy online
- Win Moviemaker 2.6 ( free online )
- Video Pad Editor ( pro ) - buy online
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This has to be the most immersive combat flight sim cockpit I've ever been in. Fantastic!!

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But getting back to Trump's question with a very late answer and really nothing to add;

BOB is without doubt the iconic air battle of WW2. The length of struggle against over whelming odds and what was at stake made it so.
The Battle of Midway (the end of the beginning for us in the PTO) could also be called iconic but it was over in three days and it's loss, although a major setback,
wouldn't have meant invasion of the homeland or at very least being knocked out of the war.

To be honest though ,,,it's this sim's AI more than the BOB theme that makes it so attractive.
I'd primarily prefer to fly CFS2 WWII Pacific Theater if it's AI were as challenging. AS is,,,BOB2 is the only sim I fly anymore.

But again,,,,BOB was indeed very special cousin and God knows how the war would have gone without you. Very badly I suspect.
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