Starfighter!

[KaptajnKjuk]

Heh, maybe that's true, but back then we danes did have a habit of crashing our military aircraft, for some reason. Many of the Spitfire IX's crashed aswell..

Apparently there was a saying in Germany, that the cheapest way to get your hands on a Starfighter was to buy a small piece of land and just wait for it They nicknamed it the "Erdnagel" aswell (among other names), which translates to "tent stake"..

[Sundowner]

Well if you look at the safety records of all fighter jets of that era, none of them was "user friendly"
F-104, MiG-21, F-105, F-102, F-106, F-8, Lightning, SU-15, F-4... even the safest of them all - F-101 Voodoo - was no glider either, going through the listing of Voodoo's serial numbers is a sad story of crashes, midair collisions, and engine fires resulting in class A mishaps.

[Jigsaw]

Apparently there was a saying in Germany, that the cheapest way to get your hands on a Starfighter was to buy a small piece of land and just wait for it

Hehe, I hadn't heard that one yet. That's priceless.

[MAGGIEMAE]

You also have to remember that originally all the 104 had to carry was a 20m Gatling gun and maybe a couple of Sidewinders Take a look at a German/Canadian/Italian 104's and we have fuel tanks, missiles, bombs, cameras and anything else they could attach. Add in the weather and low level missions not envisioned by the Skunkworks originally and you have a problem

[Sundowner]

Umm... not really, the only armament other than US users added were Kormoran antiship missiles (Germans), cluster bombs (Canadian), and Sparrows (Italians).

In the US the Zipper was carrying Sidewinders, tanks, napalm, dumb bombs (mostly M117), rockets - both 5" Zunis, and 2,75" FFARs, gun pods (SUU-23), practice bomb dispensers (SUU-21) and... (da da daaaaa) B28 thermonuclear bombs.

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Oh right, and the DART aerial gunnery training system... try flying with THAT strapped to your wing

[r4y30n]

Well, to turn to a slightly different topic... I wonder how A2A will handle the visuals of the wing vapor pockets that form on the wings and fuselage of fighters doing high-g maneuvers at high speed...



...as well as the Prandtl Glauert Singularity (also called the shock cone) formed typically at trans-sonic speeds.

[seaniam81]

Or how will they handle compressor stalls, surges, hot starts, hung starts?

[r4y30n]

Indeed!

[MAGGIEMAE]

Umm... not really, the only armament other than US users added were Kormoran antiship missiles (Germans), cluster bombs (Canadian), and Sparrows (Italians).

In the US the Zipper was carrying Sidewinders, tanks, napalm, dumb bombs (mostly M117), rockets - both 5" Zunis, and 2,75" FFARs, gun pods (SUU-23), practice bomb dispensers (SUU-21) and... (da da daaaaa) B28 thermonuclear bombs.

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Oh right, and the DART aerial gunnery training system... try flying with THAT strapped to your wing

True to a point but the aluminium lawn dart was not originaly designed for all the added stuff. It was a point and shoot weapon not a bomb carrier

[Sundowner]

True, the first Starfighter to be a multirole fighter, was the Charlie model, but that never was a big issue, except for small payload, as at most only two pylons were available for A-G weaponry (either two underwing, or one under fuselage for SUU-21/MN1A or B28). That's one of the reasons why Zippers spent only few months in Da Nang in 1965, and were replaced by F-4s.

[Daube]

Well, to turn to a slightly different topic... I wonder how A2A will handle the visuals of the wing vapor pockets that form on the wings and fuselage of fighters doing high-g maneuvers at high speed...



...as well as the Prandtl Glauert Singularity (also called the shock cone) formed typically at trans-sonic speeds.

VRS has shown the way with the F18 already.

[r4y30n]

To some extent, yes, although I think the vapor effects could be a bit better than theirs; they all seem a bit flat on the Superbug. And I'm not sure they simulate the aforementioned compressor stalls, hot starts, surges, etc presumably because such occurrances would be rare/impossible with FADEC engines.

[JJB17463rdBombGroup]

...as well as the Prandtl Glauert Singularity

Interesting how you brought that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prandtl%E2 ... ingularity
Just a few days ago a Muon Neutrino particle was recently found in a experiment to go slightly faster than the speed of light making a mockery of Albert's E=MC^2.Then again he has been wrong before too.Maybe the more enhanced formula is "your guess".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon_neutrino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Speed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPERA_experiment

[CAPFlyer]

Just a few days ago a Muon Neutrino particle was recently found in a experiment to go slightly faster than the speed of light making a mockery of Albert's E=MC^2.Then again he has been wrong before too.

Might want to re-visit the full text of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. He never said faster-than-light speeds weren't possible. His theory was that as you approached the speed of light, the amount of energy required to accelerate a mass increased exponentially to near infinity. As a Muon Neutrino particle has no real mass, then the energy required is not as nearly infinite. Additionally, as was postulated in the Star Trek series, the secret to FTL travel may lie in making "normal" space think that what you are accelerating has no mass, thus allowing you to use a much more reasonable level of energy to make that acceleration.

BTW, a "theory" is subject to being wrong.

[pjc747]

To some extent, yes, although I think the vapor effects could be a bit better than theirs; they all seem a bit flat on the Superbug. And I'm not sure they simulate the aforementioned compressor stalls, hot starts, surges, etc presumably because such occurrances would be rare/impossible with FADEC engines.

The Concorde X has nice vapor on its wings, it just kinda floats there though...

A neat video of a Luftwaffe F-104 landing on the auto-bahn:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxdZIMy8zJc[/youtube]