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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:29 pm 
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Several guys in the German forum look for TO and landing tutorials / help / tips. I sent Bucics 109 video but I remember we had more. Does anyone still know where the TO nd landing tips are?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:19 pm 
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There are these old ones:

http://www.gamershell.com/news_24265.html

(from the "General information" sticky in this forum). I think these are also on youtube if I can figure out how to find them...

Edit: finding these on youtube is turning out to be a beast, so here's a collection of links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB52IvAMadk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr_RgmDjv3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7A9yNdtys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNbrilIDuvk


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:44 am 
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Thanks. I finally came around to try to look at them but the website says they dont exist :(.
Do the videos work for anyone?
If not, does anyone still have them?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:03 am 
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well, I did one, for the very beginner. It's probably a bit silly, but when I started to fly in BOB2, I could have used advice like this.

I know there is a lot of room for improvement, but I am only making slowly progress with the video editing software. I plan to do other tutorials for BOB2 as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7A9yNdtys


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:16 am 
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:D Thanks for the video,it is the sort of thing that SHOULD be added to the video and help topics.
My only criticism of the video itself is the low voice audio compared to the background music, [you don't need the music :) ]
At the end you apologise for having trouble switching the cockpit off,you can map the switches to you keyboard if you want to,saves all the clicking hit and misses.
Anyway THANK YOU and WELL DONE,may this be the first of many :)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:34 am 
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Trumper wrote:
At the end you apologise for having trouble switching the cockpit off,you can map the switches to you keyboard if you want to,saves all the clicking hit and misses.
Anyway THANK YOU and WELL DONE,may this be the first of many :)


now, that's quite encouraging :oops: ,thank you, Trumper. I will try re-sample it without the music, your right with your point.
I thought about redoing the switching sequence, but on second thought, I think it's "natural" or authentic (in my case, I almost always make a fool out of myself clicking in the starting and turning-off sequences).

As a side-note and a big compliment to the sim and its developers in its current stage, the sequence of events from approaching, circling and landing fits seamless to the procedures described in "First Light" of Geoff Wellum. It feels exactly like you are reading it in the text, especially the that the spit doesn't bleed speed off easily and the effectiveness of the flaps. Very well simulated - really a time-machine.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:47 pm 
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ok, I deleted the music-track, here we go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7A9yNdtys

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:47 am 
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I found and snaffled this nice instruction from JamesChams, on the B377 subforum.

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So this is what pilots actually do:
On any landing (Slow flight) we reverse our norms with the use of stick and throttle; its refered to "Slow flight rules." In normal flight, power (throttle) is used for speed and pitch (yoke/stick) is used for altitude. In slow flight these are reversed; so that pitch is use to maintain airspeed and power is used for altitude. Seems illogical but its actually what we do. So, ...
1. ... from your V-speeds charts, for the aircraft's weight & flap settings, you want to trim your aircraft's pitch to main a certain airspeed. So if your aiming for say, 120 KIAS, you want to trim the aircraft so that it neither decends or climbs without your inputs (hands-off). Try this in the default Cessna for practise since its harder in the B377.
2. ... then Pull the power back slightly and allow the nose to drop and give you a decent rate of:-
--- for precision approaches (ILS) NOT more than 500FPM
--- for non-precision approaches its 800FPM
Your aircraft will then automatically want to maintain the airspeed/pitch setting it is configured for. (Note: modern jets like to drop somewhere between 500-1000FPM for these approaches but, if your dropping out at 1000FPM like modern day jet you'll land hard and unnecessarily stress the aircraft/passengers). :oops:
3. ... Finally, once established, you shouldn't need to jocky the throttle or pull/push on the yoke/stick until the *flare stage" of the landing to arrest the decent and touch down softly on the touchdown markers and with plenty of room on the runway. 8)

The trick here is establishing control ahead of the aircraft and placing it into the configuration you want it to be in instead of playing "catch-up" behind it. It takes practise and these procedures are there to help you with that. This is just a general outline of what is done. Here is an example of me doing it while explaining it to my passengers: Flight with JFC-3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3jxyc0wpyQ
Notice, I'm not having to make great changes in the pitch/power right down to when I had to flare it. There was a bit of a crosswind which I was banking into. Combating that is all you should need to do to keep it aligned on the centerline. The rest was completely setup before hand.


I've seen this discussed many times before, but I finally "got" what's being said, from his explanation:
when you have the craft trimmed for level flight at a low speed, then you drop your throttle, causing the
plane to slow, nose downward, and thus fall, it will gain speed as it falls, and the trim will cause it to
level out ( though you may need to give it a little help if you're too low to let it find its way by itself)
so it is easy to maintain your speed at the correct value as you slide in, dropping altitude onto the
runway.


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