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My aileron effectivenes appears very low. I have realism setting all to the right and I am using accusim. My PFC controls are all calibrated. The rudder over powers the aileron easily which makes it impossible to do a sideslip.. In the aircraft.cfg file flight tuning section, these are the effectiveness settings. All other aspects of the sim seem to work correctly.

elevator_effectiveness =1.10000
aileron_effectiveness =0.70000
rudder_effectiveness =1.50000

The aileron setting appear very low while the rudder may be high. Could someone please provide me with the correct ones if these are not right.

Thanks,

Tom

Tom,

First make sure you have your realism sliders all the way right. Check here under FLIGHT MODEL:
viewtopic.php?f=65&t=19370

If so, then this is likely just a controller difference issue. I would not raise the aileron effectiveness, because if you do, your roll rates will be too high. Our cub rolls exactly in step with the real cub with our test systems.

If you try anything, you can try lowering your rudder effectiveness until it feels best on your setup.

Scott.

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Thanks Scott,

I have all realisim settings at far right and I have also installed all of the A2A updates. Are the settings I showed the same as you have on your system? My problem is it will hardly roll at all. If I try a sideslip and put in left aileron as soon as I touch right rudder it levels out and starts to roll to the right. It will do this no matter which way I start.

Thanks for the help

I have the same issue with my ailerons, very slow responsiveness, kinda like flying a B747 real slow!! Elevator and rudder are fine, just the ailerons. I have all the sliders all the way to the right but to no avail. How do I fix this?

Thanks,

Scott's got a video around here somewhere I think showing the Cub and a full right/left aileron roll compared to ours. The roll rates are exactly the same and have been confirmed by cub pilots. She doesn't have a very high roll rate. This is also why some people clipped her wings.

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Are you comparing the roll to the default cub ?

was there ever a solution for this, for mine rolls like a pregnant whale as well. Even a PBY reacts better to the ailerons?

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As far as I know, the roll rate is normal.

Take a look at the following video:
http://www.a2asimulations.com/wingsofsi ... l_rate.wmv

This was filmed from a Piper Cub J-3 with a full deflection roll, and was used to assist A2A in ensuring the roll rate was indeed correct.

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It's normal. The J3 has a terrific amount of roll inertia and very basic control surfaces. It's for this exact reason the Cub was such a terrific trainer. It literally forces you to use the right amount of complementary rudder to offset the considerable adverse yaw developed by the ailerons.
I checked the roll inertia visually fairly carefully during the beta. To my eye it was right on target. Our J3 is actually one of the most accurate aircraft in our accurate fleet )
Dudley

Hmmm I'm far from wholly convinced though I may have a helpful discovery.

I fly in a Cub regularly and can check but it feels like the sims operating at 1/2 rate - everything feels like flying in treacle.

However I looked at the rudder which though assigned and independent of ailerons seemed to barely move. That would explain not getting the turn rate that the Cub can achieve and the ground turning circle taking in half of Europe. In reality I know the Cub can turn on a sixpence (with differential braking) - because I usually have a hard time stopping it!

All my controls were at full sensitivity and so forth so not that. It felt almost like fighting an autopilots control....Hang on!

The Cub may not actually have an autopilot, but do you fly other craft? If this is your experience also - go into a standard FS mooney - toggle the autopilot on and off then select the Cub again. Eureka! The rudder now moves as expected and both ground handling and turns feel more natural. I use Saitek panels a lot including the A/P so this may have a bearing (though they were unconnected in tests and the Mooney 'launched' with the autopilot off)

I'll check the roll rate further against reality, I may well be surprised. Things are after all so different when truly wobbling over England in a 60 year old canvas bag.

Otherwise I can only commend the beauty of the modelling, the totally authentic stubborness to start at times then immediately at others ( as though she never has a problem). There is a fault with the sound set though ... When she is being difficult I can hear the authentic compression noise etc., but where is all the swearing and cursing? It has to be the aircraft that makes these noises because it cannot possibly be us!