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In addition to being able to set the onset of certain high/low speed effects, I think it would also be useful to be able to do some fine tuning. I'm not using Accu-Feel buffet effects on the Real Air Turbine Duke because the low/high speed buffetting effects are already built in to that model, but its configuration manager includes a slider to adjust the buffett Strength. I would like to see something similar to this in Accu-Feel, so that I can have that kind of control for other planes...So in addition to being able to set onset speeds/machs/AoA, I would like some dials or sliders so that I can fiddle around with how the effect presents itself as the condition progresses. (I know you are trying to keep things simple and not have a mess of dials and oscillators and generators a la EZDOK)

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James, I put this on the list. I agree, as this would allow very subtle buffeting to harsh.

Scott.

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In addition to that, if ignored and getting into the stall Accu-feel could determine at the onset of the stall whether the control surfaces are centered or not and therefore cause a difference in a benign soft stall through to a wing over using a slider control for amount of effect would be fun.

Well Jetstreamsky, you hit the nail on the head. That is exactly what we've been working on

Scott.

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Fantastic!

If you can get that working, how much further would it be to enable proper sideslip capability?

Allan

I'm all for as many enhanced features as possible, but actually some of the proposed functionality worries me a bit. I guess it all depends on how much control is given to the user and that too many "things" don't get lumped together under the control of any given single slider. On the other hand, one only has to look at EZCA to see how you can make a confusing mess of dials and adjustable scalars that nobody understands!

As A2A continues to develop this, I hope they don't forget the need some users will still have to differentiate between buffetting/vibrations/sound effects versus the completely different aspect of actively intervenening into an airplane's actual flying characteristics. (Scott G., if you're reading this, I am still thinking about those NGX stall pics I sent you a while back.)

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For sure effects and effect need to be distinct in setting up, but they are not entirely divorced from one another and being able to set between effects only and effect with effects will provide a level of comfort for all users to enjoy.

there might be a happy medium, you have a basic/advanced menu button. Basic can adjust simple stuff, switch to advanced and it gives you all the tweak/sliders possible.

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I REALLY LIKE that idea.

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I don't think it's necessary to have to choose between full simple and full advanced, after all a user may want to benefit from one or two advanced features, but not the whole hog. For example improved ground handling, but not asymmetric drag induced stalls.

If effects (simple items) were logically grouped with dynamic items (advanced features) where the advanced slider could range from the minimum end of 'no effect' to 'full dynamic effect' at the maximum end, then simple set ups can simply place the dynamic sliders at zero leaving only sound and shake effects active and as confidence grows the user can dial in as much dynamic effect as he's comfortable with. Dodosim did something along these lines with the Bell 206, using an actual 5 position switch in the cockpit to dial greater and greater system and dynamic features in.

So for example there could be an ground group that includes the simple items such a brake squeal, tyre chirp and surface driven rattles and creaks and adjacent to those could be an advanced item such as true tracking of the gear so you no longer glide along the ground irrespective of the aircraft alignment to the direction of travel, which would cause increased noise of rubber burnng off and dynamic effect of yaw motion due to grip depending on how much lift is still in the wing.

Similarly a stall group can have the simple items for on-set of pre-stall buffet along with a slider for buffet strength and with an advanced item for assymmetric stalls, g-loading, etc.

To complicate matters further it is my understanding that EZDOK 2.0, if it is ever released, will also venture into the realm of aircraft body shake, as seen in some of the Version 2.0 development videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/Marniftarr). It would be cool if future versions of both of these products continue to complement each other (as they do presently) instead of possibly overlapping each others' function in the future. Maybe they can do a Vulcan Mind Meld?

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Isn't it great that these new programs come along and truly bring FSX to the next level?

Yes, it is. But as far as EZ Version 2.0 goes, nobody seems to know what the status of that is. I haven't followed that program too closely, but I recently went back and started reading some of the forums about it. What I can gather is that Version 2.0 was essentially completed and contained a bunch of body-shake physics stuff very similar to Accu-Feel...but that was over a year ago. Since then, this Marniftarr fellow apparently developed some health problems, and who knows what happenned to the project from there. Since then, nobody seems to talk about Version 2.0, except for those videos I linked to, which are only a couple of months old. Who knows...we may never see an EZ 2.0 so perhaps some of the questions of 'overlap' between these 2 programs that I raised is a moot point. I guess in a perfect world, EZ would continue to stick purely to Camera effects, as it does now, and cede the realm of Airframe/sound effects to Accu-Feel.

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Roger that Spider.

I hope the beta comes out for ACCUFEEL soon.

One thing I have been waiting for is body shake, engine vibration,
roll vibrations etc. I tried using FSPS 3D Cockpit effect,
but it is not compatible with TRACKIR. It uses camera movements
to "fake" it instead of actual physics the airframe.

Thats why I am excited about ACCUFEELS future development.
Hopefully ACCUFEEL will replace EZDOK in the realism physics department
like you said.,

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