PV wrote:
I don't know, I'm probably just not very picky about it. There is definitely a bit of slop in the centre of the stick travel, maybe 4 degrees. I presume I could get rid of it if I bothered to take it apart and see how it works. Also the twist rudder is a bit muddled at the centre, and requires adding some deadzone.
I used to have an old MS Sidewinder 2 - not pro, not ff - and I found the return spring tension much too strong, and tiring after prolonged use, so I dismantled it, and snipped about 10% off the x and y return springs, which made it much more pleasant to use. For accurate motion, I found it best to rest the palm of my hand on the base of the stick, and operate the stick with just thumb and forefinger halfway up the handle. I would still be using that stick were it not for a cat (no longer resident) who expressed indignation at being ignored in favour of the pc monitor by biting through some of the cables hanging beneath the desk, one of which belonged to the stick, and apparently enough to kill the onboard electronics, as a full repair of the cable provided no remedy.
With the Evo Force, the return tension is generated by the FF circuitry, and is fully adjustable down to zero, so I can set it at a pleasantly light level (well, actually, the combination of the inherent travel resistance and the physical return spring mean that you don't get much change for settings below about 20%, but that's good enough).
Thanks for the info. A note About Cyborg X - unlike regular Evo's robust and fairly simple spring mechanism Cyborg X has it not only badly designed (you don't drill holes and slots in crucial elements and you don't allow various manufactury inaccuracies to ADD) but also virtualy impossible to fix it. One would have to either re-machine all the clockwork-like parts as they were or re-design spring mechanism AND the twist handle mechanism which are both smashed into one place. Twist rudder mechanism slot and bolt placed in the vital part of the spring mechanism is actualy the direct cause of the huge 20% elevator axis play I was talking about earlier.
I'm not going to argue anymore with Ultor or anybody else. I don't argue with anyone who thinks that measurable axis play is a matter of taste. I just provide hard details so that readers can make their choice.
Here you can find a picture showing two co-working parts - the source of axis play. You can also see the bolt hole there.
http://81.210.9.116/~apacz/smf/index.ph ... #msg192444And here are the pictures I took before I gave it back. The first one is showing the different than other axis pots used for twist rudder axis. It is the worst potentiometer on the market I know. It is used by most of the Logitech products BTW. Not only it starts to spike within hours but also has serious axis play which causes even the new one to spike, when even minimal non axial forces are applied due to improper mounting or mechanism design (very common "phenomena"). I strongly discourage anyone to dissassemble it. It's troublesome even if you're quite sure of your manual skills.
Sorry for the picture size and quality...
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